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let's go to pete williams. with a good afternoon to you, pete, let's talk first about the status of the charges in this case and what the likely charges will be. >> yes, i think the odds are pretty good that we'll see these charges in the next couple of hours. they're putting the final touches on them now. and we expect to learn a little more about what the fbi has assembled based on its investigation of the bombing. so perhaps there will be some new details that we'll get. in terms of the charges, i would think at the very least they'll charge him with the bombing, with a terrorism offense for that. and interestingly enough, under the federal statutes, which apply here, use of a weapon of mass destruction, which is the federal law version of what a bomb is, if death results, then that is a capital offense. the government could seek the death penalty. massachusetts is a state that does not have the death penalty. so the only death-eligible charge here would be the federal offense, even though four people were k
let's go to pete williams. with a good afternoon to you, pete, let's talk first about the status of the charges in this case and what the likely charges will be. >> yes, i think the odds are pretty good that we'll see these charges in the next couple of hours. they're putting the final touches on them now. and we expect to learn a little more about what the fbi has assembled based on its investigation of the bombing. so perhaps there will be some new details that we'll get. in terms of...
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this is just coming from pete williams of nbc news. last night, police in watertown, massachusetts, got into a shootout with both suspects. they ever both brothers from chechnya. you might recall the surveillance photos. the one in the black cap, 26-year-old sam german tsarnaev, ted not only of a gunshot wounds but shrapnel wounds and thermal wounds indicating he might have been hurt by an explosive device. the brothers did reportedly throw at least one bomb during a shootout with police. the suspect in the white cap, he is 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev. he is the one that we are still looking for. he told the "associated press" that he was an angel. police ask asked you to shelter in place and not open the door unless it is police. we will have more updates in two minutes. hey! did you know that honey nut cheerios has oats that can help lower cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does! ♪ wow. [ buzz ] delicious, right? yeah. it's the honey, it makes it taste so... ♪ well, would you look at the time... what's the rush? bee happy. b
this is just coming from pete williams of nbc news. last night, police in watertown, massachusetts, got into a shootout with both suspects. they ever both brothers from chechnya. you might recall the surveillance photos. the one in the black cap, 26-year-old sam german tsarnaev, ted not only of a gunshot wounds but shrapnel wounds and thermal wounds indicating he might have been hurt by an explosive device. the brothers did reportedly throw at least one bomb during a shootout with police. the...
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nbc news chief justice correspondent pete williams has the very latest. >> reporter: investigators have begun the process of recovering tiny pieces of the bombs to learn how they were made. they say it appears the devices were assembled inside pressure cooker pots similar to this one, packed with bbs, ball bearings and nails. pressure cookers have been used for decades in terror bombings. instructions for making them appear on the internet, including just last month in an al qaeda magazine "inspire." investigators say the explosion in boston was smokeless powder, gunpowder like this available at sporting goods stores, not something more powerful like dynamite. and they believed they were carried in the scene in dark nylon bags and set off by timers. the area was checked twice for bombs but there was no security screening. >> because there is unrestricted access to the racecourse, simply because it's 28 miles long, people can come and go and bring items in and out. >> reporter: authorities searched the apartment of a foreign student injured in the blast and seen run ago way but they foun
nbc news chief justice correspondent pete williams has the very latest. >> reporter: investigators have begun the process of recovering tiny pieces of the bombs to learn how they were made. they say it appears the devices were assembled inside pressure cooker pots similar to this one, packed with bbs, ball bearings and nails. pressure cookers have been used for decades in terror bombings. instructions for making them appear on the internet, including just last month in an al qaeda...
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pete williams, good morning to you. >> good morning, savannah. >> let us know. i think everyone is wondering of course what were their motivations and investigators are trying to piece that very thing together. >> that's the big question. the question is what were their influences and what caused them to make this big change and that will be part of where the investigation goes from here. seeing if they did have any overseas influences, influence from others, communications with known terrorists, all of those things to be determined although the fbi is already very aggressively pursuing that now and on the other track is of course bringing him to trial. the government decided he will not be given the miranda warning. the usual warning on every episode of "law & order." there's a question of public safety and they can question him for 48 hours before having to give him the warning and use that information in court. the justice department says most people even in these circumstances, even facing very serious charges ultimately the death penalty if the government c
pete williams, good morning to you. >> good morning, savannah. >> let us know. i think everyone is wondering of course what were their motivations and investigators are trying to piece that very thing together. >> that's the big question. the question is what were their influences and what caused them to make this big change and that will be part of where the investigation goes from here. seeing if they did have any overseas influences, influence from others, communications...
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. >> nbc's justice correspondent pete williams joins me now with the latest. let's talk about specifically the charges, miranda rights, the public safety exemption, where are we right now on that issue? >> well, the normal rule is that when someone's irsed, they're advised of their rights. you have the right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you. you have the right to a lawyer. if you can't afford one it will be provided, that sort of thing. if police don't give that warning then they cannot use any statements of the defendant in court. the exception to that is called the public safety exception. it's been extended by judges to terrorism cases. and the idea is that if you need information quickly to preserve public safety, you can ask those questions and still use the responses in court. but that public safety exception rule is limited. it only applies for several hours after fill in the blank. we assume after questioning starts rather than after arrest. probably no more than a day, day and a half. >> where do you come up with that? pete,
. >> nbc's justice correspondent pete williams joins me now with the latest. let's talk about specifically the charges, miranda rights, the public safety exemption, where are we right now on that issue? >> well, the normal rule is that when someone's irsed, they're advised of their rights. you have the right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you. you have the right to a lawyer. if you can't afford one it will be provided, that sort of thing. if police don't give...
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the prior -- conversation with pete williams was especially interesting. here's a little more of what we know. pete reported on part of this earlier. the 7-eleven robbery takes place a few blocks on the north street and cambridge where the two brothers lived. robbed the 7-eleven. they then shoot the m.i.t. campus police officer, who is in his car. the reasoning we're told is he, they probably thought that the police officer recognized them from their photographs being published everywhere and up on the tv screens everywhere and hours earlier by the fbi in the afternoon. they carjack an individual who is driving a mercedes suv. authorities know who the individual is. the news media know who the individual is. we know his name. we're not going to report his name, obviously. he has been fully debriefed. and is really part of a really interesting equation to this whole awful, awful story. in that they hijacked the car. they take his credit card. and they make three different attempts with his credit card to withdraw money from atm machines. the first one faile
the prior -- conversation with pete williams was especially interesting. here's a little more of what we know. pete reported on part of this earlier. the 7-eleven robbery takes place a few blocks on the north street and cambridge where the two brothers lived. robbed the 7-eleven. they then shoot the m.i.t. campus police officer, who is in his car. the reasoning we're told is he, they probably thought that the police officer recognized them from their photographs being published everywhere and...
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the latest we have out here, pete williams, nbc news. haes be he has been right on this one all along. the investigators believe they know where suspect number two is hold up here in watertown. police helicopter flying over the city. now, it is just frozen in the air. it is stationary i would guess maybe a mile from where i'm standing here with all the gathered media from around the world. police keeping us in this spot. no one being allowed to go into watertown. the entire mass transit system in boston is shout down. they did not want suspect number two to escape. suspect number one was shot and killed overnight. there is a report that he had explosives strapped to him. they had certainly thrown explosives at officers as they chased that mercedes suv that they had car jacked. the concern is that suspect number two may have explosives strapped to him, sefrcertainly available to him. knowing where he is is one thing. figuring out how to get him out without someone else in the neighborhood or area being injured or killed would be another.
the latest we have out here, pete williams, nbc news. haes be he has been right on this one all along. the investigators believe they know where suspect number two is hold up here in watertown. police helicopter flying over the city. now, it is just frozen in the air. it is stationary i would guess maybe a mile from where i'm standing here with all the gathered media from around the world. police keeping us in this spot. no one being allowed to go into watertown. the entire mass transit system...
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more on that in a moment with pete williams. but developments come just before the house intelligence house committee posed a closed door briefing on the bombing about two hours from now. on capitol hill yesterday, intelligence officials briefed senate and house committees in classified hearings, committee members say the details revealed were troubling. >> we talked a lot about connecting the dots and stove pipes after t9/11 and here we ae 12 years later and it is still not working. what i would like to know is whether or not the department of homeland security shared that information with the fbi and joint terrorism passing force that could have possibly led to opening this lead investigation back up on the older brother. >> there may be some systems things that we need to work out here, but i don't know, it is a legitimate question to discuss as to whether any one of the 20,000 tips, even the ones that come up negative, are then passed on to local law enforcement. at some point, this is america. >> that is troubling to me tha
more on that in a moment with pete williams. but developments come just before the house intelligence house committee posed a closed door briefing on the bombing about two hours from now. on capitol hill yesterday, intelligence officials briefed senate and house committees in classified hearings, committee members say the details revealed were troubling. >> we talked a lot about connecting the dots and stove pipes after t9/11 and here we ae 12 years later and it is still not working. what...
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let's turn to pete williams. >> i think a couple things here. he says -- the two bombers are that's the relationship there. he says they came in early 2003 heard this morning that the family received asylum. and then you may recall that later this morning, the father in russia, and the uncle just said that his brother did go back to russia, so that explains that. you just said something about whether he didn't know if they'd traveled. and that reminds me that undoubtedly right now federal authorities are checking their travel records, these two young men, to see if they ever did go overseas to any kind of terror training camp, because we had heard that they had military experience. that was the initial assessment we had heard from several sources this morning. well, if they came here a decade ago and the one they're looking for still is only 19 years old, obviously he didn't have any military experience at the age of 9 before he came here. and the brother is 26, so i suppose it's possible that he might have had a
let's turn to pete williams. >> i think a couple things here. he says -- the two bombers are that's the relationship there. he says they came in early 2003 heard this morning that the family received asylum. and then you may recall that later this morning, the father in russia, and the uncle just said that his brother did go back to russia, so that explains that. you just said something about whether he didn't know if they'd traveled. and that reminds me that undoubtedly right now federal...
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according to pete williams and court documents. there has been a legal procedure in the hospital room, obviously, the defendant has agreed to an order of voluntary detention without prejudice. the defendant declined to answer bail questions in a probable cause hearing may 30th at 10:00 a.m. the court is satisfied the defendant is alert and able to respond to the charges. the defendant is remanded to the custody of fbi agents and was presented to u.s. marshals. he was advised of his rights and the charges against him. the government states the maximum penalties and is moved to detention. and there is a charge of using a weapon of mass destruction, the bomb, and that would include a possible death penalty phase if it were to come to that. although massachusetts does not have the death penalty. this is a federal case. david rode joins me now. he is the author of a pulitzer prize winner and the author of beyond warning reimagining american influence. we want to talk to you about your experience. you were held, you were kidnapped by the
according to pete williams and court documents. there has been a legal procedure in the hospital room, obviously, the defendant has agreed to an order of voluntary detention without prejudice. the defendant declined to answer bail questions in a probable cause hearing may 30th at 10:00 a.m. the court is satisfied the defendant is alert and able to respond to the charges. the defendant is remanded to the custody of fbi agents and was presented to u.s. marshals. he was advised of his rights and...
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really the only person i believe reporting right now is pete williams, in pete we trust, and pete says there have been no sign the local law enforcement was going to move into the house th to arrest them. in some respects what the fbi did was exactly the right thing and gave them the intended outcome. tragically, another loss of life has changed. in the death, the murder, of the m.i.t. police officer. >> their uncle is speaking, and they're talking about it's nonideological, it's nonreligious. do we buy this? it comes from just personal anger and not something eye deological? >> we deal with the who, the how and the why. we know the answers to the first two. the third one is the person that really troubled us and fascinated us the most. what caused this radicalization, what cautioned the trigger in order to kill fellow citizens, i mean, not just people that they had no relationship with. we simply don't know right now. i think it's also important that we step back and remind everybody that they may have lived in the chechen community, this in no way paints a brush across the chechen co
really the only person i believe reporting right now is pete williams, in pete we trust, and pete says there have been no sign the local law enforcement was going to move into the house th to arrest them. in some respects what the fbi did was exactly the right thing and gave them the intended outcome. tragically, another loss of life has changed. in the death, the murder, of the m.i.t. police officer. >> their uncle is speaking, and they're talking about it's nonideological, it's...
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pete williams has reported now that his brother, his own brother in fleeing in that mercedes suv ran over his own brother. eventually that suspect died at the hospital. but we can't overstate how remarkable it's been this morning, chuck, that there is a lockdown of a major american city. a shelter in place, as it is known. this is the kind of thing you hear about when there's chemical leaks or huge gas explosions. people stay inside for their own health and well being. we talked to police chief john timany who headed up the police departments in philadelphia and we talked to michael chertoff this morning and neither of them could remember a situation, not only where this has happened but where it is considered to shut down and ask all residents of a major american city to go inside. they talked about it during 9/11, but decided against it. you have people in a middle class town seeing s.w.a.t teams out their window. a no-fly zone over a small town in the western suburbs of boston. it is unprecedented. >> it's unbelievable there, willie. thank you. >>> want to bring in roger, a long-t
pete williams has reported now that his brother, his own brother in fleeing in that mercedes suv ran over his own brother. eventually that suspect died at the hospital. but we can't overstate how remarkable it's been this morning, chuck, that there is a lockdown of a major american city. a shelter in place, as it is known. this is the kind of thing you hear about when there's chemical leaks or huge gas explosions. people stay inside for their own health and well being. we talked to police chief...
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this is pete williams. several officials familiar with the initial interrogation of dzhokhar tsarnaev at the hospital in boston describe him as cooperative, a senior government official tells nbc news that tsarnaev has told them by writing some answers and by nodding yes or shaking his head no to others that he and his brother were not in touch with any overseas terrorists or groups. and that they conceived the bombing attack on their own, motivated he told them by religious fervor. they got their instructions on how to make bombs from the internet, he said, according to these officials. again, that is breaking news from just moments ago from pete williams at nbc news. we'll give you more on that as we learn it. >>> today at beth israel medical center in boston, a federal court hearing was called to order in the hospital room. a federal magistrate judge came to the hospital along with the defense attorney and the prosecutor, and late this afternoon they released a transcript of the court hearing conducted r
this is pete williams. several officials familiar with the initial interrogation of dzhokhar tsarnaev at the hospital in boston describe him as cooperative, a senior government official tells nbc news that tsarnaev has told them by writing some answers and by nodding yes or shaking his head no to others that he and his brother were not in touch with any overseas terrorists or groups. and that they conceived the bombing attack on their own, motivated he told them by religious fervor. they got...
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thank you, pete williams. for joining us. pete william, justice correspondent for nbc news. clint van zandt, msnbc political analyst, and phillip mudd, former cia analyst, former deputy director of the fbi national security branch. he's author of the book "takedown." i wonder, i know we're filled in this country with strange thinking people, truthers, birthers that have off the wall theories. i don't know how anybody could look at this evidence presented so far and have some other theory of the case besides the indictment, itself. >> no, it's really coming together. i mean, there's -- as terrible as this case is and was, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of heavy lifting. we've got the two primary individuals. it's obvious that they had hands on the devices. the pieces we don't have, chris, are where was their inspiration? where did they get the guidance? who taught them how to build the bombs? >> why is that important? why is that important to -- is that important to prosecuting? i mean, what difference does it make why they did it if they did it? i'm being tough here. w
thank you, pete williams. for joining us. pete william, justice correspondent for nbc news. clint van zandt, msnbc political analyst, and phillip mudd, former cia analyst, former deputy director of the fbi national security branch. he's author of the book "takedown." i wonder, i know we're filled in this country with strange thinking people, truthers, birthers that have off the wall theories. i don't know how anybody could look at this evidence presented so far and have some other...
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joining us massachusetts governor deval patrick, nbc's justice correspondent pete williams, chairman of the house intelligence committee mike rogers of michigan, former homeland security secretary michael chertoff, former director of the national counterterrorism center michael l liter. then, how the marathon bombings changed things after such painful loss. >> anybody that knew her loved her. >> there were powerful signs of resilience. alongside a renewed sense of vulnerability as a manhunt virtually shut down a major american city. we hear from assistant senate majority leader dick durbin of illinois, and our special roundtable. >>> and good sunday morning. what a week it has been. developments are still moving very quickly in the boston terror story. we want to go for the very latest this morning to the governor of massachusetts, deval patrick, who is with us this morning from boston. it's good to see you and congratulations on the end of a very difficult week. >> well, i accept your congratulations on behalf of the extraordinary team of law enforcement folks who have done this the
joining us massachusetts governor deval patrick, nbc's justice correspondent pete williams, chairman of the house intelligence committee mike rogers of michigan, former homeland security secretary michael chertoff, former director of the national counterterrorism center michael l liter. then, how the marathon bombings changed things after such painful loss. >> anybody that knew her loved her. >> there were powerful signs of resilience. alongside a renewed sense of vulnerability as a...
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pete williams, the big question at this moment, was there a foreign connection to terrorism? what do we know? >> well, we don't know the answer to that question. the big gap here is what was the older brother doing in russia for six months last year? he leaves in january, arrives in july, and the russians have told the fbi that they were a little worried about him. but what was he doing during all that time in russia? his father says he was visiting him, that he went to see his family, went to renew his russian passport while he was awaiting american citizenship. he was here as a lawful permanent resident. did he -- the thing i think that's the biggest question for investigators now is, "a," why did he turn this way? but, "b," where did he get his expertise in explosives? where did he practice them? it seems really unlikely these two bombs successfully were detonated without some practice runs. where did he learn to do that? where did he practice? those are the big questions. >> we look at the pictures of the suspects and biographical information we have, dzhokhar, who is the
pete williams, the big question at this moment, was there a foreign connection to terrorism? what do we know? >> well, we don't know the answer to that question. the big gap here is what was the older brother doing in russia for six months last year? he leaves in january, arrives in july, and the russians have told the fbi that they were a little worried about him. but what was he doing during all that time in russia? his father says he was visiting him, that he went to see his family,...
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nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is on the case with the latest in the investigation. pete, what are we learning now? what are the ratest, first of all, from dzhokhar tsarnaev, and do they believe he and his brother were lone wolfs? >> you may recall that the charges against him were actually filed under seal on sunday, he had his initial appearance in the hospital on monday, and as far as we know, they haven't attempted to re-interview him since then. he's getting with his lawyers, trying to figure out how to proceed. in essence his's confessed already. he's told authorities that he and his brother did it, he's given a reason why, their opposition to the wars in iraq and afghanistan, which think thought were attacks on islam. and he said they were not inspired by foreign countries or foreign interests that they came up with this plot on their own, and that's largely what he said. there are other little details. so i think it will be a while yet before they're able to talk to him any more. >> we're hearing there was some confusion yesterday, because after a briefing fo
nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is on the case with the latest in the investigation. pete, what are we learning now? what are the ratest, first of all, from dzhokhar tsarnaev, and do they believe he and his brother were lone wolfs? >> you may recall that the charges against him were actually filed under seal on sunday, he had his initial appearance in the hospital on monday, and as far as we know, they haven't attempted to re-interview him since then. he's getting with his...
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nbc news justice correspondent, pete williams is on the beat. joining me now from the news room. what do we know from all of the filings about what he is telling the interrogators and the way he is communicating and what his motivations were? >> well the court filings don't disclose anything about what he's saying although we are now told that his condition is improving. he went to the hospital in serious, but stable condition. and today authorities say he has improved to fair condition. so he is getting better. the transcript of the hearing indicated that he nodded most of his answers, except one when he was asked if he could afford a lawyer, when he spoke the word no. but obviously not very loudly. because the judge had to make sure that that's in fact what he said. but andrea, what we're told is that he was cooperative during the first phase of this questioning. that he said that he and his brother thought this up on their own. that they were not under the direction or control or in any way in touch with terrorists overseas. that they got the recipe for the bomb from the inter
nbc news justice correspondent, pete williams is on the beat. joining me now from the news room. what do we know from all of the filings about what he is telling the interrogators and the way he is communicating and what his motivations were? >> well the court filings don't disclose anything about what he's saying although we are now told that his condition is improving. he went to the hospital in serious, but stable condition. and today authorities say he has improved to fair condition....
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pete williams is still with us. and there seems to be a key period in his life, six months when he went back to russia. his father says that he went to visit him, but i guess the key question is, was it at that point that he somehow was radicalized? >> well, that's a -- that's one question. and the second question is, where did these -- where did this expertise really you have to say with explosives come from. i mean, these two -- if you think about it, it's -- yes, the design of the devices was sort of basically out of the, you know, anarchist cookbook or right off the internet of how to make a bomb in a pressure cooker. it's unfortunately very sadly on the internet. but it's still difficult to make it work. and you add to that the fact that they managed to set off two bombs with some apparently sophistication in how they were detonated, whether they were by a timer or remote control. that certainly you assume is not something that you could do if you were just trying to build a bomb for the very first time. in mos
pete williams is still with us. and there seems to be a key period in his life, six months when he went back to russia. his father says that he went to visit him, but i guess the key question is, was it at that point that he somehow was radicalized? >> well, that's a -- that's one question. and the second question is, where did these -- where did this expertise really you have to say with explosives come from. i mean, these two -- if you think about it, it's -- yes, the design of the...
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williams for all of your reporting this week, what you do better than anybody else. we appreciate it and appreciate you being here this morning. up next, as we get to know more about the suspects and some of the motivations behind the bombings this week, is there now a new sense of vulnerability to the country? a special discussion is coming up. joining me nbc's tom brokaw, peggy noonan, and bloomberg news jeffrey goldberg also of "the atlantic" magazine. an emotional week for boston and for the country as we were all on high alert and as we search for meaning in it all, we'll get the first draft of history through the eyes of the one and only doris kearns goodwin, herself a bostonian. revolutionizing an industry can be a tough act to follow, but at xerox we've embraced a new role. working behind the scenes to provide companies with services... like helping hr departments manage benefits and pensions for over 11 million employees. reducing document costs by up to 30%... and processing $421 billion dollars in accounts payables each year. helping thousands of companies
williams for all of your reporting this week, what you do better than anybody else. we appreciate it and appreciate you being here this morning. up next, as we get to know more about the suspects and some of the motivations behind the bombings this week, is there now a new sense of vulnerability to the country? a special discussion is coming up. joining me nbc's tom brokaw, peggy noonan, and bloomberg news jeffrey goldberg also of "the atlantic" magazine. an emotional week for boston...
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when you looked at the surveillance video, when you hear what pete williams is reporting about their backgrounds, what leaps to mind? what do you think we can ascertain from those facts? >> these guys had a plan. when i saw the video, seemed like they knew what they were doing. they were moving with a purpose. they were calm. it eerily reminded me of the mumbai attacks. you can't tell too much from the brief videotape that we saw that was released to the public but it appeared they were calm and moving with a purpose. >> we now have a name and putting together a bit of a background. at least one of them was a legal permanent resident who had a massachusetts driver's license. there is a long and sad history of strife in chechnya and acts of terrorism. >> you have to look at that original of terrorism. this is where we can't jump to conclusions yet. we're going to be relying on our foreign intelligence partners in russia and turkey because it was believed these men lived in turkey. we want to find out do they come from a lineage of terrorists. do they have military training. we'll try
when you looked at the surveillance video, when you hear what pete williams is reporting about their backgrounds, what leaps to mind? what do you think we can ascertain from those facts? >> these guys had a plan. when i saw the video, seemed like they knew what they were doing. they were moving with a purpose. they were calm. it eerily reminded me of the mumbai attacks. you can't tell too much from the brief videotape that we saw that was released to the public but it appeared they were...
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nbc's pete williams reports he was run over by the car driven by his brother. and when police approached his body, they discovered an ied strapped to his chest. he was transported to the hospital where he was pronounced dead. let's bring in nbc national investigative correspondent, michael isikoff. let's talk about what we foe in the scene right now. the police have said they have new leads within the last few minutes that they are exploring and that they want everyone to stay inside. >> exactly. a pretty good sign that this situation is still very fluid, still very tense. and we don't know where it's going or how long the manhunt is going to be taking place. i should point out, andrea, that i am right behind what is the principal staging area for the police and the military here. all morning long we had convoys of military humvees coming in, buses of police, motorcycles, of state police, blackhawk helicopters have been flying in and over this area. landing just behind me on the other side. at one point i thought it looked to me like there they were planning fo
nbc's pete williams reports he was run over by the car driven by his brother. and when police approached his body, they discovered an ied strapped to his chest. he was transported to the hospital where he was pronounced dead. let's bring in nbc national investigative correspondent, michael isikoff. let's talk about what we foe in the scene right now. the police have said they have new leads within the last few minutes that they are exploring and that they want everyone to stay inside. >>...
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. >> nbc news pete williams, as this develops, i'm sure we'll be coming back to you for more, thanks for joining us today. >>> also joining the panel now is bbc world news america africaor, katty kay. one of the first investigation questions we're seeing, perhaps not surprisingly because we live and work in a particularly heated partisan times is whether or not there were failures in terms of the fbi gathering intelligence, given the fact that this guy was kind of already on the radar and flagged by the russian government. >> we saw this after 9/11 and we're going to see it again. what did they know, what should they have known before he went to russia and after he came back. quiet has to be asked and it will be asked and eventually it will be answered. you also have the investigation itself. they have to still lock down this case against this young man. he's presumed innocent in this country. and you have to be careful even using the, the imminent threat exemption here. any evidence they get from him without the miranda could be thrown out in court and could undermine the case. >> i
. >> nbc news pete williams, as this develops, i'm sure we'll be coming back to you for more, thanks for joining us today. >>> also joining the panel now is bbc world news america africaor, katty kay. one of the first investigation questions we're seeing, perhaps not surprisingly because we live and work in a particularly heated partisan times is whether or not there were failures in terms of the fbi gathering intelligence, given the fact that this guy was kind of already on the...
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we'll hear from pete williams tracking down a new lead in this case. we'll get pete on as soon as we can. first, to the possible miscommunication and breakdown between intelligence and other federal officials. lawmakers learned yesterday homeland security was pinged when tamerlan tsarnaev went to russia but they didn't tell the fbi. here's republican congressman michael mccaul on "the daily rundown." >> we talked a lot about connecting the dots and stovepipes after 9/11 and here we are 12 years later and the fact remains it's still not working. >> joining me right now is independent senator of maine, angus king, member of the intelligence committee and at yesterday's fbi briefing. it's good to have you with me this morning. can you hear me? senator? >> we'll go back to the senator in a second. you were tracking down a new lead. something you can reveal now or something you want to wait on? >> we've been trying to get a better understanding of what it was that was back and forth between the u.s. and russia over their initial tip to the u.s. or their ini
we'll hear from pete williams tracking down a new lead in this case. we'll get pete on as soon as we can. first, to the possible miscommunication and breakdown between intelligence and other federal officials. lawmakers learned yesterday homeland security was pinged when tamerlan tsarnaev went to russia but they didn't tell the fbi. here's republican congressman michael mccaul on "the daily rundown." >> we talked a lot about connecting the dots and stovepipes after 9/11 and here...
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the latest on the boston investigation from the governor of massachusetts, deval patrick and pete williams and our roundtable all coming up on "meet the press." >> david, thanks very much. >>> that's going to do it for us on a sunday morning. thanks, everybody, for watching. i'll see you back here tonight for ""nbc nightly news."" have a great day, everybody. for ""nbc nightly news."" have a great day, everybody. so long. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com in the bay, the latest on the boston marathon bombings, and how the newest release of the suspect helped to bring to a close the massive manhunt. and the search for answers in the attacks sparks a heated debate about the suspect and his rights. >> psychological, some kind of wayward nut like columbine or some of the school shooters have appare apparently been. >> a bay area terrorism expert speaks with us about the questions that investigators are most likely to pose to suspect. >>> record heat on the way. meteorologist anthony slaugter with the full forecast including when 90 degree weather could hit your neighborhood. "today in the
the latest on the boston investigation from the governor of massachusetts, deval patrick and pete williams and our roundtable all coming up on "meet the press." >> david, thanks very much. >>> that's going to do it for us on a sunday morning. thanks, everybody, for watching. i'll see you back here tonight for ""nbc nightly news."" have a great day, everybody. for ""nbc nightly news."" have a great day, everybody. so long. --...
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. >>> i want to bring in nbc's pete williams, our justice correspondent, live in d.c. with the very latest now. pete, let's talk about in nugget that was revealed this morning. the fbi now saying that they did in fact interview the older brother early in 2011 for some possible ties to terrorist activity. do we know why at this point the fbi did not pursue him further? >> reporter: yes, they have been quite candid about this. they say in early twlech2011, tt a request from a foreign government, and i think it's the worst-kept secret in town that it's the russians, who say they're concerned that he has terrorism connections, that he's become radicalized. so the fbi does what it says it's able to do under the law. they looked at whether he was in any of the federal databases of suspected terrorists or whether there was any indication that he was communicating either by phone or my looking at internet sites with any suspected terrorist organizations or individuals. they looked at his travel, travel history, all of that came up negative. so then they decided to interview hi
. >>> i want to bring in nbc's pete williams, our justice correspondent, live in d.c. with the very latest now. pete, let's talk about in nugget that was revealed this morning. the fbi now saying that they did in fact interview the older brother early in 2011 for some possible ties to terrorist activity. do we know why at this point the fbi did not pursue him further? >> reporter: yes, they have been quite candid about this. they say in early twlech2011, tt a request from a...
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our own pete williams says the fbi tells him they were contacted just once in 2011. they checked him out. they didn't find anything. what have you been able to find out about that when 10you were briefed? >> we are getting conflicting reports. on the senate side they were told by deputy director of the fbi that there were multiple dealings -- contacts between russia and the fbi. i'm also on the house intelligence committee and we're getting a briefing at 4:00 today. i hope this can be resolved. i want to go back to one thing you said -- >> can i interrupt you there? people are sitting back there saying how does this happen? how do members of congress get briefed and be told different things? >> that's what i'm going to try to find out today. we have a meeting at 4:00. a closed door meeting on boston, the fbi will be there. we have to get this resolved. on one hand we hear one contact and then on the other we hear that there were multiple contacts. obviously there's a significant difference. also, we should keep in mind russia doesn't contact us that often. i'm not sa
our own pete williams says the fbi tells him they were contacted just once in 2011. they checked him out. they didn't find anything. what have you been able to find out about that when 10you were briefed? >> we are getting conflicting reports. on the senate side they were told by deputy director of the fbi that there were multiple dealings -- contacts between russia and the fbi. i'm also on the house intelligence committee and we're getting a briefing at 4:00 today. i hope this can be...
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let's go to pete williams, our justice correspondent. good morning to you again. >> we know a little more now. we believe about these two. as we've been saying they're brothers. the first one who they are still seeking this morning, the one wearing the white hat, the one that they believe planted the second bomb, his name is dzhokar tsarnaev. he's the one who is 19 years old. we're told that his brother, the one, who died is 26. became a legal permanent resident in 2007 and was born in russia. we're told that they both came to the country with their number in 2002 or 2003. they've been in the u.s. for nearly ten years it would appear. we're certainly very familiar with the united states and certainly comfortable moving around here. you may remember when the police chased them into watertown, they stopped the suv that they carjacked. the older one wearing the black hat at the photographs in the boston marathon was strapped with explosives and police shot and killed him and i'm told by authorities now that when dzhokar, who is the one they
let's go to pete williams, our justice correspondent. good morning to you again. >> we know a little more now. we believe about these two. as we've been saying they're brothers. the first one who they are still seeking this morning, the one wearing the white hat, the one that they believe planted the second bomb, his name is dzhokar tsarnaev. he's the one who is 19 years old. we're told that his brother, the one, who died is 26. became a legal permanent resident in 2007 and was born in...
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our justice correspondent pete williams has been following the investigation all day. he's in our d.c. newsroom tonight. pete, good evening. >> reporter: brian, good evening. the fbi is pursuing very promising leads. one in particular tonight thanks to the abundance of pictures and videos rounded up in the two days since the bombing. we are getting a close-up look at how the bombs were made. >> guys, guys, guys. no way. >> reporter: the fbi says it is getting exactly what it asked for. pictures from several sources showing someone carrying a heavy backpack or duffel bag and placing it at the spot where one bomb went off. one of the most promising images, they say, comes from a department store surveillance camera high up on a building, able to look down at the crowd. on a day when incorrect news reports of an arrest distracted officials, investigators were working aggressively to discover, find, and interview that person. that's at the scene of the second bombing following the first by about 15 seconds. it's that second spot shown on this picture sent to nbc station wh
our justice correspondent pete williams has been following the investigation all day. he's in our d.c. newsroom tonight. pete, good evening. >> reporter: brian, good evening. the fbi is pursuing very promising leads. one in particular tonight thanks to the abundance of pictures and videos rounded up in the two days since the bombing. we are getting a close-up look at how the bombs were made. >> guys, guys, guys. no way. >> reporter: the fbi says it is getting exactly what it...
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>> well, i trust what pete williams says on these things and there is a period of time, 36 to 48 hours. it's somewhat fudgible. it will defend when aware enough and coherent enough to begin to answer questions. but remember, the exception is about imminent threat. does he know of any other terrorist plots? has he planted any other devices? it's about the immediate safety and security of american citizens. and once law enforcement has concluded that is not an issue anymore based on his questions, they'll then move on to what will be the traditional questioning and interrogation within the constructs of the civilian law system. >> that's to figure out what went down in all this, but how do investigators begin determining whether or not they were part of a larger terrorist organization? >> well, as we've heard earlier, the high value interrogation group is comprised of an interagency group of individuals with tremendous experience in interrogating and questioning individuals like tsarnaev who is in custody right now. they will begin that process. they'll certainly find other information f
>> well, i trust what pete williams says on these things and there is a period of time, 36 to 48 hours. it's somewhat fudgible. it will defend when aware enough and coherent enough to begin to answer questions. but remember, the exception is about imminent threat. does he know of any other terrorist plots? has he planted any other devices? it's about the immediate safety and security of american citizens. and once law enforcement has concluded that is not an issue anymore based on his...
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what do you make of the news reported by our own pete williams? that the older brother, tamerlan, had a bomb strapped to him when he died? because we had two bombs at the marathon. we had a bomb tossed from a vehicle yesterday evening. we had a bomb strapped to this individual. i'm assuming that law enforcement believes that these two individuals have been working pretty hard at developing a series of these devices. ieds and so on. >> clearly, martin, it's a bombing campaign. i think -- >> it really is. >> that's what it was. i think if you listen to richard engel and roger cressey, they're giving you the great insight into the minds and the transformation process to become a suicide bomber. and no matter what speculation, what information we don't have, the information we do have is suicide bombers. they have -- at least one had it strapped on their chest and another one. that's an incredible transformation, even a bomber, to be a suicide bomber. that was a major change. law enforcement killed him. now we may have a suicide bomber, you know, on t
what do you make of the news reported by our own pete williams? that the older brother, tamerlan, had a bomb strapped to him when he died? because we had two bombs at the marathon. we had a bomb tossed from a vehicle yesterday evening. we had a bomb strapped to this individual. i'm assuming that law enforcement believes that these two individuals have been working pretty hard at developing a series of these devices. ieds and so on. >> clearly, martin, it's a bombing campaign. i think --...
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rhett's get the latest from justice correspondent pete williams. pete, after yesterday's confusion, yesterday and this morning even, it seems everyone is sort of on the same page now. what's the latest you've got for us? >> well, i think the fbi is having this news conference is they want to show some pictures. these are pictures of two men that they're most eager to identify, find, and interview based on their review of all the mountain of pictures they've received. it's really quite extraordinary when you think about it that the fbi made this request for pictures. they were inundated with an amount of data equivalent to 25,000 hours of youtube video. what they got was higher resolution, so it's not that many hours but that gives you the idea of the sheer tonnage of vehicle and they managed to look at great deal of that and hone in on two people whose movements and behavior have raised some questions that they would like to answer. they want to try to find these people. so far they've not been able. they can clearly see their faces, but they don't
rhett's get the latest from justice correspondent pete williams. pete, after yesterday's confusion, yesterday and this morning even, it seems everyone is sort of on the same page now. what's the latest you've got for us? >> well, i think the fbi is having this news conference is they want to show some pictures. these are pictures of two men that they're most eager to identify, find, and interview based on their review of all the mountain of pictures they've received. it's really quite...
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pete williams in washington. thank you very much. >> okay. >> let's head across town to capitol hill where kelly o'donnell is following political reactions to the investigation. kelly, we do understand that all senators will have the opportunity to be briefed about boston tomorrow. what can you tell us about that angle? >> they have this meeting already scheduled. they do it periodically where they give senators insights on classified material from the administration. and so this is an opportunity now to focus it on boston. we're hearing from a number of senators we talked to in the hallways and so forth who say they are getting a good level of informing coming from the fbi and obama administration at this point. there are things we are learning in classified settings they can't talk about publicly yet. but there has been some dispute today about whether or not the fbi had been contacted by russian authority more than once. there may be some terminology that is confusing that or perhaps there's other reporting. b
pete williams in washington. thank you very much. >> okay. >> let's head across town to capitol hill where kelly o'donnell is following political reactions to the investigation. kelly, we do understand that all senators will have the opportunity to be briefed about boston tomorrow. what can you tell us about that angle? >> they have this meeting already scheduled. they do it periodically where they give senators insights on classified material from the administration. and so...
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pete williams, thanks. mike, we now have joining us from springfield, missouri, former attorney general john ashcroft. sir, thanks very much for being on the show this morning from your perspective with your experience and your background on all of this, what are we looking for at this point and what concerns you that still remains a mystery? >> well, the first priority here has to be public safety and to guard against any future attacks or follow-on attacks. unfortunately all of us are aware that we're in a critical period of time right now. this week has been not only this week but historically a very difficult time including oak bomb and with the fertilizer explosion last night that we don't know all of the facts about and with the boston situation this is a time when i think we shouldn't rush to any conclusions about whether any events are related or they're not related. and public safety and prevention of additional events ought to be at the top of our understanding. obviously it should also inform the
pete williams, thanks. mike, we now have joining us from springfield, missouri, former attorney general john ashcroft. sir, thanks very much for being on the show this morning from your perspective with your experience and your background on all of this, what are we looking for at this point and what concerns you that still remains a mystery? >> well, the first priority here has to be public safety and to guard against any future attacks or follow-on attacks. unfortunately all of us are...
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we will not report it until pete williams says it is okay. >> right. i talked to staffers at both nbc, and msnbc. and what they said is the word right now is if pete okays it we can go with it, if he doesn't okay it, we don't go with it. a staffer went up to pete williams and said you are trending -- this was earlier -- he said you are trending on twitter. he said i don't want to be trending on anything. it is somewhat telling that the guy who is associated with the best reporting last week did not tweet once last week. that's somewhat telling, unless maybe he tweeted late friday -- that's -- believe me i tweet like a thousand times a day. i love twitter, it is a great source for information, but there is something telling about that. he didn't spend the time participating in the noise. he spent the time doing his job. >> bill: not to beat up on cnn, but jeff zucker comes to cnn, and we're talking about the revamping of cnn, and get it right this time, and it could not have happened at a worse time for cnn,. would you agree? >> yes and there is another
we will not report it until pete williams says it is okay. >> right. i talked to staffers at both nbc, and msnbc. and what they said is the word right now is if pete okays it we can go with it, if he doesn't okay it, we don't go with it. a staffer went up to pete williams and said you are trending -- this was earlier -- he said you are trending on twitter. he said i don't want to be trending on anything. it is somewhat telling that the guy who is associated with the best reporting last...
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. >> let's bring in nbc's justice correspondent, pete williams. so, pete, i can't help the system pinged. that is a little bit of a different story about what we knew about tamerlan tsarnaev's travels or not. was he on a watch list? wasn't he not? by her saying that, she's implying he was on a watch list. >> so, it would appear. i think it's fair to say that the, we don't know the answer to that because we're getting different answers from the intelligence community about whether he was ever put on a watch list. i guess there's two ways to look at this. the individual specifics about precisely how this was handled, but if you step back, there's a larger question here. that is when a foreign government gives us potentially derogatory information about someone, stop right there. should that create an entry for that person in the system? then keep going down the process. here, the fbi says they looked thoroughly at him, as much as they were allowed to do during this legal operation they're going in in this initial threat assessment. they find nothing
. >> let's bring in nbc's justice correspondent, pete williams. so, pete, i can't help the system pinged. that is a little bit of a different story about what we knew about tamerlan tsarnaev's travels or not. was he on a watch list? wasn't he not? by her saying that, she's implying he was on a watch list. >> so, it would appear. i think it's fair to say that the, we don't know the answer to that because we're getting different answers from the intelligence community about whether he...
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now for much more on this, we have nbc justice correspondent pete williams from washington and nbc's kristen welker at the white house. pete, i'm going to start with you. what are we expecting to hear at this fbi briefing within the next hour? >> we're going to hear, i believe, why they're interested in these two particular people. what it is they've done. what they can be seen doing that attracts their attention and raises their interest and why they want to find and talk to them. they know what they look like. they know what they were doing. the fbi has always thought that the bombs were carried to the scene in black nylon duffel bags or backpacks. they an see on these pictures the men, these two men carrying heavy backpack and duffel bag. they believe the bombs were relatively heavy, probably around 20 pounds. they were in the vicinity of where the bombs were found. so, where they were set off. so they want to find them. they don't know who they are, and they're going to ask for public assistance, we believe, in identifying the men. and you may remember that they asked for both ph
now for much more on this, we have nbc justice correspondent pete williams from washington and nbc's kristen welker at the white house. pete, i'm going to start with you. what are we expecting to hear at this fbi briefing within the next hour? >> we're going to hear, i believe, why they're interested in these two particular people. what it is they've done. what they can be seen doing that attracts their attention and raises their interest and why they want to find and talk to them. they...
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nbc's justice correspondent pete williams joins me now. let's clear up a couple things on the charges. the killing of the 346m.i.t. poe officer not included. explain it here for us. >> couple of points about this. numb per on number one, this charging document is a starting point. it is not the end of what they can charge him. it is to get the process going. there will be a grand jury indictment. it can be superseded as we go along so this isn't the totality of it. secondly, murder by itself is not a federal crime. so there's no federal strictly speaking, no federal jurisdiction over that killing. it may be that in the future they'll pull it into a broader conspiracy and they could add that to it, but standing by itself the federal government would not have jurisdiction. >> let's go to what did dzhokhar say during the questioning before he was read his miranda rights? what have we learned from that and what have we been able to confirm outside of what he said? >> well, none of it has been confirmed outside of what he says. he has been coop
nbc's justice correspondent pete williams joins me now. let's clear up a couple things on the charges. the killing of the 346m.i.t. poe officer not included. explain it here for us. >> couple of points about this. numb per on number one, this charging document is a starting point. it is not the end of what they can charge him. it is to get the process going. there will be a grand jury indictment. it can be superseded as we go along so this isn't the totality of it. secondly, murder by...
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our own pete williams has been on it from the start. pete, good evening. >>> brian, after sifting through that huge amount of photos and video from people and businesses, the fbi wants to now know about two people who stand out in all that material because of what they were doing before the bombs went off. investigators tonight are calling them suspects in the bombings investigators decided today to take advantage of one of their strongest leads, asking for public help in identifying two men agents are now the most interested in running down. >> we consider them to be armed and extremely dangerous. no one should approach them. no one should attempt to apprehend them except law enforcement. >> reporter: one man is wearing a white baseball cap worn backwards, dark t-shirt, gray hoodie, dark jacket, dark pants
our own pete williams has been on it from the start. pete, good evening. >>> brian, after sifting through that huge amount of photos and video from people and businesses, the fbi wants to now know about two people who stand out in all that material because of what they were doing before the bombs went off. investigators tonight are calling them suspects in the bombings investigators decided today to take advantage of one of their strongest leads, asking for public help in identifying...
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pete williams on the case for us. as always, the voice of reason here at the family of nbc networks. thank you, sir. >> okay. >>> we are following an incredible amount of breaking news this morning. emergency crews are searching through the rubble in texas trying to find survivors from that massive fertilizer plant explosion. we expect to hear from officials there in texas and in fact we have that right now. instead of going to break, brwel bring you this press conference right now. >> my speaking up is about this. all i can tell you is good luck. >> 30 seconds out. we'll ask you not to step up. >> we are waiting now for a briefing here in west, texas, from authorities. as you can see they're doing mike test here to give us an update on exactly what's going on. a massive fertilizer plant. a fire started. firefighters were fighting it and then the explosion as that was happening. here's the briefing. >> bear with me on my voice. i'll talk the best i can and give you as much as i can but you're going to have to bear wit
pete williams on the case for us. as always, the voice of reason here at the family of nbc networks. thank you, sir. >> okay. >>> we are following an incredible amount of breaking news this morning. emergency crews are searching through the rubble in texas trying to find survivors from that massive fertilizer plant explosion. we expect to hear from officials there in texas and in fact we have that right now. instead of going to break, brwel bring you this press conference right...
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pete williams in our washington newsroom. no doubt a big step forward in this investigation. lester holt was on the street in boston when the photos went public at that very moment. he witnessed the start of what someone today called the first nationwide electronic crowd-sourced manhunt of the digital era. lester, good evening. >> reporter: brian, good evening. when the crowd watching us glommed onto the fact we were talking about pictures of suspects, the smartphones immediately came out. people started watching that video. one man said to me, i wish i knew them. the president was here just a few hours before we learned of the suspect. whether he knew about them or not is unclear. he had a message for whoever did this. we will find you. bostonians stood for hours in a line ten blocks long for a chance to publically share their sorrow and even their fears. >> i'm sickened by this. we live in such a free country and to have a sense of insecurity. ♪ >> reporter: inside the cathedral, tears flowed openly. >> we will rise in community. >> reporter: in what has become a ritual o
pete williams in our washington newsroom. no doubt a big step forward in this investigation. lester holt was on the street in boston when the photos went public at that very moment. he witnessed the start of what someone today called the first nationwide electronic crowd-sourced manhunt of the digital era. lester, good evening. >> reporter: brian, good evening. when the crowd watching us glommed onto the fact we were talking about pictures of suspects, the smartphones immediately came...
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later today on the "today" show, nbc pete williams will have a live report with the latest on the boston marathon terror . suspect. >>> and from vertical gardens and eco-friendly fashions and party ideas. "today" celebrates earth day. now keep it on this channel for continuing local news, weather, sports and so much more. i'm richard lui. thanks for watching "early today," your first stop of the day, today, on your nbc station. have a great start to your week. >>> new this morning, new information on the boston bombing investigation, including when investigators expect answers from the surviving suspect. they may not get a chance to talk with him. let's show you the bay bridge, early monday morning. april 22nd. this is "today in the bay." >>> good morning. it is almost 4:31. glad you are with us. i'm jon kelley. >>> welcome back. i'm laura garcia cannon. >>> meteorologist, rob mayeda is in for christine today. >>> look at san jose, 59 degrees. a warm start to the morning. 80s and low 90s today. 70s and 80s around san francisco to oakland. tomorrow, a little bit of cooling middle part of
later today on the "today" show, nbc pete williams will have a live report with the latest on the boston marathon terror . suspect. >>> and from vertical gardens and eco-friendly fashions and party ideas. "today" celebrates earth day. now keep it on this channel for continuing local news, weather, sports and so much more. i'm richard lui. thanks for watching "early today," your first stop of the day, today, on your nbc station. have a great start to your...
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joining us now, pete williams, who i should tell you, is in the same building i am in but is at another camera because he needs to be close to his desk phone. it truly is that kind of day in the news, pete. thank you very much for being here. >> you bet. >> what do we know about what authorities have been able to find from combing through the pictures and videos in the two days since the bombing? >> well, i think you've summarized it well. the holy grail for them was to see someone setting down a heavy backpack or duffel bag, a black nylon bag, that they believe this relatively heavy bomb was carried in. they think it weighed about 20 pounds, setting it down at the scene of one or the other of the bombings, and then getting away. they believe they have found a picture like that, first from the store surveillance camera that you noted, but they since have been able to triangulate that or get other views of it from other pictures and recordings that people who are in the area have sent them. people who have sent them pictures not knowing what exactly was to be found on them, so, they see
joining us now, pete williams, who i should tell you, is in the same building i am in but is at another camera because he needs to be close to his desk phone. it truly is that kind of day in the news, pete. thank you very much for being here. >> you bet. >> what do we know about what authorities have been able to find from combing through the pictures and videos in the two days since the bombing? >> well, i think you've summarized it well. the holy grail for them was to see...
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three reasons, according to pete williams. one, we don't know where the second bomber is. two, this notion of other explosives in boston that one apparently found and no longer a threat and three, this worry about other accomplices is something you highlighted almost an hour ago. >> i think the other of other accomplices is something everyone was focusing on. we had the footage of two individuals and it is very unlikely that these two individuals did this with no other individuals having knowledge of it and whether there were other co-conspirators that were part of the plot and were supposed to be involved with helping these guys get away, whether they secured materials for the plot and this is what intelligence analysts are doing right now backed in their headquarters. they're using very cutting edge technological tools to mine any of the data that they are able to pull from the first suspect who was killed early this morning. so his travel records, phone records, anything that they could look at, social security number to figure out who might be in the ever-expanding cir
three reasons, according to pete williams. one, we don't know where the second bomber is. two, this notion of other explosives in boston that one apparently found and no longer a threat and three, this worry about other accomplices is something you highlighted almost an hour ago. >> i think the other of other accomplices is something everyone was focusing on. we had the footage of two individuals and it is very unlikely that these two individuals did this with no other individuals having...